Voice Your Opinion About Cambodia: Hun Sen disagreed to grant the ex-King a power for a decision making due to border issues 
Hun Sen disagreed to grant the ex-King a power for a decision making due to border issues
I would like to ask our friends in Cambodia and oversea regarding the ex-King Norodom Sihanouk has abdicated his portraits from puplic displayed and his resignation as the president of Cambodian Border Council which was formed recently. Are you disappointed at Hun Sen or ex-King Sihanouk himself?
In my opinion, the result of ex-King Sihanouk resignation as the president of Cambodian Border Council and asked that his portraits be removed from public places because Hun Sen disagreed to grant the ex-King a power for a decision making due to border issues. Hun Sen has feared that the ex-King will get all the support politically.
Moreover, Hun Sen afraids that the ex-King will embarrass him over the islands and lands which Hun Sen have signed the deal with Vietnamese, and Hun Sen will be loosing his support from many Cambodian.
Not only the power have not been granted, but Hun Sen accused the Cambodian Border Committee who formed by many high profile Cambodian like the ex-king himself as a traitor. Hun Sen has blashed off this issue at many occasion, and inversely, Hun Sen appointed himself as the president of Cambodian Border Council and his donkies cabinet ministers as a member. This is aiming to block any decision that is made by the ex-King Cambodian Border Committee.
Can we trust that Hun Sen get back our lost lands and islands?
I personally never have any hope which done by Hun Sen because every time when the issue of border encroachment coming up I have heard that Hun Sen and his donkies responsed very negatively- something like there is no clear border mark or the map is not clear, or sometime, this is for a political gain for the opposition.
Well, my suggestion is get the clear map. Get the one that clear!
Moreover, Hun Sen and Vietnamese government always divert the issue like sending the Vietnamese diplomats to Cambodia and providing a piece of aids to Cambodia as a friendly neighboring.
Therefore, I conclude that Cambodian not only lost our islands and lands forever but also losing the help from the hight profile citizen like the ex-King Norodom Sihanouk because of a selfish politician like Hun Sen and his donkies only interested in keeping power over the suffering people.
In my opinion, the result of ex-King Sihanouk resignation as the president of Cambodian Border Council and asked that his portraits be removed from public places because Hun Sen disagreed to grant the ex-King a power for a decision making due to border issues. Hun Sen has feared that the ex-King will get all the support politically.
Moreover, Hun Sen afraids that the ex-King will embarrass him over the islands and lands which Hun Sen have signed the deal with Vietnamese, and Hun Sen will be loosing his support from many Cambodian.
Not only the power have not been granted, but Hun Sen accused the Cambodian Border Committee who formed by many high profile Cambodian like the ex-king himself as a traitor. Hun Sen has blashed off this issue at many occasion, and inversely, Hun Sen appointed himself as the president of Cambodian Border Council and his donkies cabinet ministers as a member. This is aiming to block any decision that is made by the ex-King Cambodian Border Committee.
Can we trust that Hun Sen get back our lost lands and islands?
I personally never have any hope which done by Hun Sen because every time when the issue of border encroachment coming up I have heard that Hun Sen and his donkies responsed very negatively- something like there is no clear border mark or the map is not clear, or sometime, this is for a political gain for the opposition.
Well, my suggestion is get the clear map. Get the one that clear!
Moreover, Hun Sen and Vietnamese government always divert the issue like sending the Vietnamese diplomats to Cambodia and providing a piece of aids to Cambodia as a friendly neighboring.
Therefore, I conclude that Cambodian not only lost our islands and lands forever but also losing the help from the hight profile citizen like the ex-King Norodom Sihanouk because of a selfish politician like Hun Sen and his donkies only interested in keeping power over the suffering people.
SUBMITTED BY: Samoeun Chhim Email: Samoeun....@yahoo.com Sun, 28 Aug 2005
11 Comments:
Nothing new to Sihanouk and Cambodia conscience.He did not do a damn thing in 1949 to stop Viet Nam from taking Prey Nokor and Koh Tral.Now it's usual for him to act out and run for cover.Yellow belly is always...
If Khmer and her land still exist in the future, it must be God had given this land to them. It is absolutely not an ounce effort by khmer politicians. Listen to the Khmer national anthem, folks.
As I said before, Hun Sen and many more of the present government officials are the Vietnamese 5th colunm in police and military(Sok Ann, Hock Lundi, Tea Bagn, etc...) we could expect nothing from them, but to push all our lands to the Vietnaese. It would be good if we can have all of us united including Sihanouk to negociate. I agree with the first comment that since 1949 Sinhanouk could not do anything, even he have power, what can he do now? (He is old in poor heath, even Ranarith joined Hun Sen by hook and by crook)the Vietnamse and Hun Sen are on his neck every minute of his move. So, what left, the only one solution is us Khmer. We have to take care of this problem. Please remember that no one alone can solve this problem--including Sihanouuk. It has to be all of us. We have to put pressure on the Vietnamese 5th column in Cambodia and also Khmer Krom in Kampuchea Krom. It was our land, it is our land, it should be our land. Who are going to fight for us, if we don't do ourselves. I saw one previous opinion " Should we provoque a war to get our land back?" It is not a matter of provoking a war it a matter of making it difficult for our ennemy to swollow us, make the pond hot so the fish from outside run from our pond. So FIGHT BACK Teeth and nails,WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION, STOP BEING AFRAID, USE OUR INTELLIGENCE. we don't need a central command effort either, only distroy the ennemy interests where ever you found it. For instance: Vietnamese prostetute, tailors, mechanics, businesses--OKGNAS, fishing, colons all are sourses of their supports, also punish the officials who supported this 5th column, make them pay a price and support/ancorage those those stick their necks for the cause. The Vietnameses are not 10' told! we cambodians are too nice!or maybe naive to see this? NO ONE SHOULD SIGN ANY DOCUMENT TO GIVE AWAY ONE INCH OF OUR LAND INCLUDING KAMPUCHEA KROM.
Pisnoka
Pisnoka, I have your sympathy. We, Cambodian, should stand up to our enemy. We have to get our land back and we also must protect what is left. Whatever land which has been taken away from us must be returned.
However, Pisnoka, I don't think we can get our land back by violent or sabotaging Vietnamese immigrant in our country. There are a few problems that will hunt us down if we are sabotaging Vietnamese immigrant:
1) We are violate the international human right law. We will be criticised and the international communittee might be imposed sanction on our country. We are not able to export our products which our people depend on it, and this is not to mention the imports.
2) Our government, Hun Sen's government is not like Palistian's government which support the violent and suiside bombing to push the Isael out. However, our Hun Sen government seems still the satilite state of Vietnam. This government is paying the attention to Vietnamese government. If there are a group of Cambodian Nationalist aiming of pushing or destroying the Vietnamese immigrant in Cambodia, Hun Sen secret police or military will crackdown the group, they will be prosecuted. To make it worse, Hun Sen will declare the group as terrorist. This classification is very dangerous. Anything seems very nationalist to Hun Sen, he will not allow. For example, National Party had been abolished and Cheam Channy have been convicted(well, Cheam Channy is not a nationalist but Hun Sen wanted to prevent it). If a Nationalist group is a strong resistance to Hun Sen police and military, it cause a civil war again. To add another war and our people are suffering again, it is not very intelligent nationalist. We definitely cannot effort anymore war even one month. We must remember that we are lookdown and loosing our land from time to time because of wars, read our his story.
3) There will be a concern to Vietnamese government. This concern might push Vietnamese government to invade our country by accusing us as terrorist group. They may plan a bomb in their country by their own people and accuse us. If they invade our country, we will not able to resist them because they are out number us. This is just to count the military personel, not including weaponaries. Hence, we lost more than we gain(I'm not being a cower but it is true that they are out number us and they have experiences more than us, from French to American war and Khmer Rough war).
4) Hun Sen government have promoted better Vietnamese Community. There are about two million of Vietnamese immigrant who are leaving in Cambodia. Some of them have held government post. There will be imposible that our government can promote nationalist. If the government doesn't promote the nationalist, the ordinary Cambodian will not pay attention to the issues concerning our lost land or encroachment.
5) The well educated Cambodian citizen will not support such a nationalist because it can be very dangerous. A nationalist can provoke crime against humanity. The hatred can be spread uncontrolable, for example, Pol Pot regime had proven that.
Although, I have my symphathy with your idea, Pisnoka, I don't want to take the risk that causes our nation such a high price to pay. I believe we can inform our citizen to be awared of the issue of land lost and border encroachment by our neighbour so that our people will be no long nice to them anymore like the past, well we still respect them but not nice to give away of our land. We can also play a strong role in international community and the diplomacy like Khmer Krom is doing right now. One day, Khmer Kampuchea Krom will get their independent state.
Anonymous,
Thanks for your explainations, I understood and thought through all those conditions your mentined, there are correct to some extend:
1) How could international communities care and sention against Cambodians that have no government, and trying to defend themselves from a corrupted, inhumain, violated all human rights government?
2) Regarless of what ever the nationalist do or don't do, Hun Sen and all the Vietnamese 5th column, in the police and military forces start from the top. 2 Millions you mentioned trying to kill us every day (Cambodian could not get ID card to vote at the election, but Vietnamese hardly speek Khmer can vote)WE ARE DYING SLOWLY. If we don't slow them down it will reach 4 millions soon, like in Loas right now, it is irreversible.
3) The Vietnamese government killing Khmer Krom everyday, what have the international communities done?
4) My point is we have to test the water, by decentralizing all activities. All citizens operate on their own agenda toward a common objective MAKE THEM IMPOSSIBLE TO SWALLOW US by depriving them from their financial and humans sources that they got from Cambodia. They did not bring sources from Vietnam they got from the local resources.
5) The Vietnamese invaded us around 1863 during Trang Ming Yang, we repulsed them by join all efforts at midnight one night went out and eliminated them--That is why we still have some land left today. Remember the Vietnamese understand only one language. We have to show them what they could understand, of course they will try to invade us again, there is nothing to prevent them from doing it again if we are weak. Show them some strengh may help.
PA
Believe it or not, those descriptive people are real Khmer(made in Cambodia) including mentality. Sadly, they are the products of a natural born cultural submission,incompentency,
corruption, may be not their priority(ignorance),opportunistic, lack of understanding(less likely),and the easily acceptance, ect...
Preah Pisnoka, you're right to some extend what I described is the probability that it could happen, and I still think that it could be a high probability.
Regarding a government, you have raised a very good question about Hun Sen's government whether it is a government or not when the governing practise is fully abusive such as corruption and inhumain.
In my opinion, whether you want to believe it or not, Phnom Penh government whose Hun Sen control is a government because the world have recognized this by the representative seat in the United Nation, World Trade Organization, and Asian Member. In addition, Phnom Penh has established laws like the Constitution, and the governing units of government. Phnom Penh has sent her diplomats almost every country.
Yes, it seems not right when a human rights law has been violated. But this is what every Communist country or former one does. It starts from China, Buma, Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia. However, there some improvements are made because of the effort of the international community and international human rights group.
Your issue about Khmer Kampuchea Krom who have been killed and abused by the Vietnamese government. It is absolutely true for two or three decades ago; but now the NGO group has pressured Vietnamese government to respect Kampuchea Krom and it won't be very long, Kampuchea Krom might be allowed to be independent state.
Last, you mentioned to me that in 1863 during Trang Ming Yang invasion, Cambodian pushed all Vietnamese invader in one night.
Well, that practise caused no problem at our Cambodian side because the Vietnamese was invading our country we had the right to use any mean to protect or to claim the country back. And the governing government was at our side. We had the green light to apply the tactic from the top. Moreover, the world political atmosphere was different. No one could critized that.
However, now we have different situation. The situation which Vietnamese immigrants are in our country as the Cambodian citizen. There are innoncent Vietnamese immigrants who are among those bad one, and who are coming to our country just to survive like many of our Cambodian who are living abroad.
Because the issue is totally defferent, we cannot repeat the strategy which was used in 1863. Like I have informed you that human rights law will be violated, we will also being accused of crime against humanity or crime against ethnic minority.
Now, you would ask a question like, how are we going to get our land or to protect our country?
Don't loose hope, there are ways that we can do to avoid all the violations. First, we have to reconcilliate our internal problem. We have to eliminate the Hun Sen government which is not governing on behaf of our national interest. Second, after Hun Sen government or Communist Party has been abolished, our new government can establish the taugh immigration law which protect our national interest. Third, we can claim our land by forming a border committee to negogiate or to bring the border issue to the international court.
I would blame Hun Sen what he hadn't done properly and correctly for poor folks with money from donors.As far as Border problems Hun Sen was not the original cause but erotic Norodom,then his grand son a grand philandering Sihanouk.
The house was already in dilapidated condition before Hun Sen took the driving seat even though the silly former King should rescind all treaties when he was the King in 90's when UN still hung around at the rear doors of the royal houses.Sihanouk who signed his life away to VC and Hanoi before Hun Sen was barely knew how wear khor baraing yet. Refocus here,Sihanouk has screwed up on his own now it's convenient for his sorry self to blame the world for his stupidity.I don't buy that.
Anonymous #8
It will do no good to beat the dead horse. Let start fresh.
Why can't the present King nullify all the treaties that Hun Sen (70's, 80's)and all other treaties that give away any part of our land? He suppose to be the man of 21st century. He should know that he have the right to reclaim everything that are ours including Kanpucea Krom. It 's just a claim. Hun Sen may not be happy about it, but it will give us legitimacy to go on, even though it's a long shot.
Can someone write to him about his rights to do for his people?
Does anyone of us realize that there is a conspiracy going on in Cambodia? Vietnam wants to grab every inch of Cambodia terrritory, any mean possible. In June 4, 1949 by heavily influencing the French to transferred Kampuchea Krom, Vietnam was not yet satify and want more. In 1979 Vietnam invaded Cambodia by using Khmer Rouge which ultimately was created by Vietnam to systematically killed off any Khmer intellects and to reduce the populations. This way it was much easier for Vietnam to sweep and mop.
Fortunately Vietnam failed to add Cambodia to its map due to U.N intervention. However, Vietnam still has influence over economic and politic of Cambodia. Hun Sen is the puppet of Vietnam. The reason why Cambodia is progressing so very slowly, because Vietnam is the friction. It is very fearful of Cambodia becoming strong and will eventually begin to ask for the truth for Vietnam's intention. Well, I will be the first to tell everyone the truth my fellow Khmer.
VIETNAM IMPLANTED HATRED BETWEEN KHMER TO KILL EACH OTHER SO IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR IT TO TAKE OVER. BY STANDING TOGETHER, WE WILL BE UNITED, AND BY SPEAKOUT AND EDUCATE THE NEW GENERATION ABOUT THE TRUTH BEHIND THE "YOUN", THEN WE SHALL BE FREE FROM FOREIGN DOMINATION. " NEVER TRUST YOUR ENEMY WHO IS NOW YOUR FRIEND"
First we need to form the private border committee comprised of cambodian intellectuals (local and abroad).
Cambodians border issues is a complex ones because of no clear markers, but now we have the official cambodian map that made after 1954 since cambodian was granted independence, then now we also have the technology called the global positioning systems (gps). The private committe can use this device to pinpoint the lacations on the canbodian map to find the border markers and present all the facts to the international court. This is just an idea to think about.
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